Trot On, Hayek!


Another little detour, away from both the recent starwarsing (which will be continued) and from the main line of all this Austriana.  Once again, this is a long version of a section of the essay 'No Law for the Lions and Many Laws for the Oxen is Liberty', co-written by myself and Phil for his new book Neoreaction a Basilisk, which you - yes you! - can purchase for non-gold backed fiat currency.  Buy a copy today - it's the only rational calculation!


Ludwig von Mises - founder of the shittest cult of personality since selfhood itself was invented - famously declared, in an article published in 1920 which was subsequently developed into a book-style object, that socialism - by which he meant any society in which the means of production were commonly owned - was impossible, unworkable. The timing of publication was undoubtedly tied to the fact that, in 1920, it looked to most observers as if the infant Soviet Union was about to expire a mere three years or so after its birth. Mises was positioning himself, with gleeful anticipation, to be able to dance on the grave of the world’s first workers’ state, shouting “told you so!”  Unfortunately for Mises, and for a lot of fascists, Trotsky existed.

Mises asserts that public ownership, because it abolishes the capital goods market, means that there can be no determination of prices for capital goods, and therefore no way to determine the relative values of primary resources, and therefore no way to allocate them efficiently and rationally. This claim is patently outrageous coming from people who are putting it forth as a way of championing capitalism, a system that has brought us to the point where the richest eight men on the planet own as much as the poorest 50% of the entire human race, and which is literally pushing the planet to the point where it will very soon be unable to support human life. But you always have to remember that, for people like this, the world of reckless short-termism and obscene inequality we live in is rational.  Indeed, the entire Austrian project is devoted to the cause of proving that it is as close to a rational ordering of society as we can ever manage... which is why they had to devise an entire school of thought founded on the insolent rejection of evidence.

But let’s take it seriously for a moment. In simple terms, the argument – which, as will be clear, is derived directly from Austrian first principles - runs thus: to achieve a decent and sustainable standard of living, a society must be able to allocate its resources efficiently by making economic calculations. To do this you have to know what the ‘primary factors’ - the big, important resources that form the basis of all production, such as land, steel, and capital itself - are worth, and thus the best use to make of them. You derive this knowledge from prices assigned by the market. The market does this automatically. Prices are a measure we can use to make rational choices. For instance, the most economical use of land can be determined by the prices of the commodities or services that could be produced using it. But if such primary factors are communally owned, they are not subject to a market, which means they do not end up with prices which accurately reflect their values, thus making it impossible to calculate how to allocate them efficiently.

A socialist economy in a ‘backward’ country (hmm, where could he have been thinking of???), under pressure to compete on the world market owing to the need to ‘keep up’, i.e. accumulate capital and industrialize, would need to efficiently allocate its resources, the more so the scarcer they were.

This, supposedly, is how capitalism makes rational, optimized allocations… which makes the objection very interesting, given that we’re supposed to be talking about socialist economies.

Also, this leaves out the question of whether price signals really are set by supply and demand under normal conditions… still less whether, as the Austrians have tended to insist, prices arrive at equilibrium, balancing supply and demand.  As Ernest Mandel, the great Trotskyist, wrote:

Already today, in the most advanced capitalist countries, the bulk of both consumer and producer goods are not produced in any way in response to ‘market signals’ shifting violently from year to year, let alone month to month. The bulk of current production corresponds to established consumption patterns and predetermined production techniques that are largely if not completely independent of the market

It’s not just an old Trot who says this.  The post-Keynesian economist Nicholas Kaldor also pointed out that prices often aren’t based on demand, and that demand has a less significant influence on prices than neoclassical theory assumes.  The idea that prices are ‘market-clearing’ - i.e. that they express an equilibrium between supply and demand - is an Austrian mainstay, from Menger to Böhm-Bawerk to Mises and onwards.  Much as equilibrium is generally accepted by mainstream neoclassical economists, the market-clearing prices theory is very much an Austrian heterodoxy.

Mises’ observations - revived and popularized by Hayek in the 30s - sparked what became known as the ‘Socialist Calculation Debate’ or ‘Economic Calculation Debate’, a series of exchanges among economists of various persuasions between the two world wars. The debate is often misremembered as a debate between Austrians and Marxists. However, only one of the major participants on the socialist side was a Marxist - the Cambridge economist Maurice Dobb. (Dobb was also a significant Marxist historian, but his political allegiance was to Stalinism.  It has been suggested that he was a ‘recruiter’ at Cambridge, probably because he inducted Kim Philby into the Cambridge University branch of the Communist Party.)  The others all wanted to show that a case could be made for socialism within the assumptions of neoclassical economics. Consequently, the defence of planned economies involved taking lots of the assumptions of bourgeois economics at face value, and thus advocating (some say inventing) a form of ‘market socialism’. Indeed, the most significant rebuttal of Mises came from the Polish economist and diplomat Oskar Lange, who rejected the Marxian theory of value, and agreed with the neoclassical conception of prices.

To be reductive about it, Lange’s model involved a free market in labour and consumer goods (so workers still sell their labour power in return for a wage, and then spend their wages as they see fit), combined with a ‘Central Planning Board’ for allocation of primary factors. The Board would set prices (presumably based on prices inherited from capitalism) and, through a process of trial and error, adjust those prices according to ensuing surpluses and shortfalls. These are now called ‘shadow prices’. Such experiments would only have to be run a few times before mathematical models could be invented and used. There would also be what we might call ‘shadow rents’ and ‘shadow interest payments’ (despite there being no landlords or creditors) all of which would keep enterprises efficient. Lange claimed that such a system would be at least as efficient - if not more - than free markets. (Lange, notably, was an early advocate for using computers, making his ideas an ironic prototype of the “friendly AI runs the world” scenario.)

Lange et al were widely held - for instance by Paul Sweezy - to have decisively settled the matter. And, if you’re prepared to conceive of socialism in non-Marxist terms as a system of state-managed capitalism, and to consider these issues theoretically outside actual historical experience, they pretty much did – especially nowadays when computers are so much more powerful.  Indeed, the computerised planned-market model of capitalism is feasible.  It’s already in practice, in prototypical form, in nooks and crannies of the modern world. It might even be the basis of some other possible form of future non-capitalist or semi-capitalist economy.  It just isn’t socialism, at least not as Marx imagined it.

In the wake of the rebuttal, then, and at a time when the Soviet Union was surging ahead of a crisis-ridden capitalist world (for reasons that Austrians and neoclassicals - and even many 'Marxists' of the time - were ill-equipped to understand), Hayek retreated to a fallback position where he claimed that, while rational planning was theoretically possible, it was also unworkable because of the sheer number and complexity of the calculations the planners would have to make. Markets comprise millions and millions of prices, and every price is interdependent with every other, meaning every change entails millions of marginal adjustments. In a market, these adjustments happen automatically. A planned economy would set itself the task of doing all that ‘by hand’ as it were.

Even though Hayek was not a full-blown praxeologist, it’s possible to see the remnants of praxeology in his thought here. He is in effect demanding that prices be set with the sort of systematic knowledge that axiomatic arguments purport to offer, even as he denies - out of the other side of his mouth - that this is possible. There is, of course, no reason for this - Lange’s proposal is clearly empirical, rooted in questions of what works as opposed to why. And this is an eminently sensible epistemology with which to conduct practical economics, which is, after all, not actually a thought experiment. But Hayek’s quasi-praxeology sets him up for another problem, which is that he’s tacitly suggesting the market contains some sort of self-awareness of its own intricate construction, a requirement that takes the abstraction of marginalism to new and, on face value, ludicrous extremes.  He doesn't literally claim the market is sentient.  He just tacitly believes its more sentient than a lot of humans.

Hayek’s faith in the market is routed through its priests, the entrepreneurs, who he believes have a “tacit knowledge” of the market that cannot be expressed. One of the weird ironies here is that Hayek essentially implicitly admits that the Stalinist central planners were kin to the ‘entrepreneurs’ of free market societies, and yet while Hayek argues for the entrepreneurs getting to make the decisions because of their ‘tacit knowledge’, he argues against the possibility of the planners doing essentially the same thing. Underlying this is the implicit inability to imagine an economic system without some group in a position of decision-making authority. But planning need not be centralised and undemocratic. It might instead involve the mass of the population. Indeed, contrary to the assumptions of almost everyone involved - anti-Marxists and Marx’s supposed supporters alike - Marx makes it clear that the active, collective, and democratic participation of the working class in planning is not only morally desirable but practically essential to socialism – far more so than any legal change concerning who owns what.  At the very least, in a state planned economy still marked by many capitalist traits (which is what both Trotsky and Lenin admitted they'd been forced to settle for owing to exigent circumstances), the knowledge - tacit or otherwise - of the working class at large can be brought into the planning process. Indeed, this was Trotsky’s solution when he originally made the argument against Stalinism that Hayek is ripping off here!

In a variety of strange ways, Hayek ends up being more Marxist than the supposed socialists in the debate. Lange’s system, as noted, falls far short of what Marx saw as socialism. It looks like a species of what Marx is vociferously arguing against in his Critique of the Gotha Programme.  It looks more like a branch of bourgeois economics - welfare economics - still based on neoclassical assumptions, including equilibrium and the ‘Pareto optimum’ - assumptions that socialists and Marxists had previously attacked. Hayek, on the other hand, comes close to a sort of right-wing version of Marxian theory when he criticises Lange’s model owing to the same ‘socialist’ fetish for equilibrium which Dobbs has also critiqued in the ‘socialist’ side of the calculation debate!  Hayek – who, whatever his faults, is far more thoughtful and less dogmatic (on a good day) than most Austrians - moves away from equilibrium towards his concept of ‘spontaneous order’. For him it becomes ‘entrepreneurs’ and their pushing for profit which raises the general level of welfare. At one point Hayek writes:

But because for all capitalist production there must exist a considerable interval of time between the beginning of a process and its various later stages, the achievement of an equilibrium is strictly impossible. Indeed, in a literal sense, a stream can never be in equilibrium, because it is disequilibrium which keeps it flowing and determining its directions.

So Hayek - along with Marxists – comes to reject, or at least nuance, the idea of equilibrium (though for different reasons - as noted, Austrians believe in 'lopsided production', whereas Marx sees overproduction as general).  Like Marx, Hayek sees capitalism as inherently and inevitably powered by competition and the hunt for profit, and sees that planning to smooth out the bumps in the market is not ultimately going to work. Marx would’ve agreed - with the broad outline anyway.  Marx’s view of socialism was not a planned market.  By holding that to meddle with financial markets is to threaten capitalism’s integrity, Hayek gets nearer than Lange to realising that one would need to do away with them in order to abolish capitalism and establish socialism.  Deliciously, Hayek ends up – at least in some ways – agreeing with Marx over the ‘Marxists’.

In the end, Trotsky was right, and so, by extension, were Marx and Hayek (which was an enjoyably outrageous sentence to type): ‘really existing’ planning was centralised and undemocratic. Without the ‘tacit knowledge’ of workers in localities and in their own production centres, planning broke down, replaced by top-down command which increasingly failed to keep in touch with reality. It’s more complex than just that, of course, and this is not the place to go into the nature and failings of the Stalinist system. Nor is it the place - much as I’d love to geek out here about my personal obsessions - to go into what I think Marx really thought socialism or ‘lower communism’ should be like.  It has little to do with the model accepted by generations of Marxists, and attacked by the Austrians. Ironically, Mises accidentally anticipates subsequent heterodox Marxist critiques of the Soviet Union based on an analysis of it as 'state capitalist' when he points out the problems of such a society trading on the world market.  To even point this out is to realise, even if only unconsciously, that 'socialism in one country' is bullshit if the one country in question takes a place in the competitive global capitalist market system.

Suffice to say:

1.      Mises’ categorical rejection of socialism (as he understood it) as impossible was convincingly rebutted - on its own theoretical terms - by Lange, who stuck to neoclassical assumptions to a great degree, which in its way is even more telling;

2.      Hayek’s retreating points about complexity hit the mark (to an extent) when applied to centralised command economies, but these are far from the only kinds advocated by socialists… and indeed they are mostly rejected by most anti-capitalists of all stripes, including most Marxists, now that the miasma of Stalinism has cleared;

3.      The restriction of ‘tacit knowledge’ to entrepreneurs or planners (depending on which side of the debate you’re on) reveals that nobody in the debate was talking about socialism as proletarian democracy, which is what Marx meant by it;

4.      The problem of planning is hardly limited to non-market economies.  We already live in a partly-planned economic system, it's just planned towards the market rather than towards need (to exchange value rather than towards use value), and not always very well, as the last decade has shown.  The knowledge - tacit or otherwise - of the working class (i.e. most of us) is ignored in favour of the acumen for chasing short-term profits shown by the managers of the capitalist system, who might as well be Stalinist nomenklatura for all that they have any democratic mandate, accountability, or goals beyond short-term self-interest.

The debate lay fallow until the 80s when a new non-Austrian critique of planning was created by Alec Nove.  This was responded to brilliantly by Ernest Mandel, who insisted upon “socialism without commodity production” in the face of Nove’s market socialism.  But the ‘fall of communism’ in 89-92 meant that the debate failed to reignite.  It was taken for granted by most that the failure of the planning model seen in Russia decisively proved that any form of planning was impossible anywhere, under any conditions.  No amount of historical context or contingency was allowed to impinge on this axiomatic generalisation from the particular to the universal.  Most socialist attempts to defending planning since then have take some form of ‘market socialism’ for granted.  But, in any case, and whatever the online Austrians insist, the debate has moved on from the terms set by Mises and Hayek.

Hayek’s contribution to the Calculation Debate does furnish several genuine insights into how markets work.  Relatedly, his concept of spontaneous order can help understand the emergent properties of markets, at least in principle, if stripped of his ideological use of it as a way to rule out any attempt to control society for human betterment.  (As it happens, even he hypocritically understands that sometimes the spontaneous order has to be given a helping hand - as we've seen in previous installments.  Monkeying with the system is fine when its the right people doing it, and for the right reasons.  When Hayek meddles, he's just putting things back to where they spontaneously would be if socialism and democracy hadn't fucked everything up.)  There is something of the potential dialectician in Hayek, in his view of structures as emerging from blind, interacting processes.  He gets closer than any Austrian to developing their ostensible greater sense of temporalism.  Of all the Austrians, he was clearly the one most worth reckoning with.  His account of how a capitalist market works as an allocation system is not without merit, as long as we ignore the politico-ethical constructions he puts on it.  His critique of command economies has more than a grain of truth to it, and - after adaptation - actually usefully illuminates fundamental differences between such economies and actual socialism.  Of course, he himself was too thoroughgoing and committed a champion of capitalism to see this.  In some ways he is not unlike Phil's description of Moldbug as a 'failed Marxist' in the same way Jupiter is a failed star. 

The Calculation Debate was mined for insights by the mainstream, but both the Austrians and the socialism remained heterodoxies.  As Duncan Foley puts it in Adam’s Fallacy: “Mainstream economics acknowledged the brilliance of Hayek’s insight without actually incorporating it into its fundamental teaching and research program, and the Austrian economists found themselves marginalized as effectively as were the Marxists.”  Essentially, the Keynesian mainstream of the time was happy to adopt Hayek’s anti-planning arguments as an ideological defence against socialism, but rejected the rest of his worldview as surely as they did socialism.  The enemies, the Austrians and the socialists, were left on the outside - together.  But then, as we’ve seen, the outside turned out to be the right place for Hayek to launch his offensive to rescue the system from itself.  Hayek, thus ideologically armed with a critique of planning and statism, gathered his forces. 

The mainstream of the time had blithely fostered the seeds of its own destruction.



Kevin Carson 3 months, 3 weeks ago

The calculation argument applies to the internal planned economies of the corporation as much as to Gosplan. The internal transfer pricing of company-specific intermediate goods are every bit as removed from direct spot-market pricing of factor inputs as the arbitrary prices assigned by state economic planners. The senior management of a corporation is just as much a self-perpetuating oligarchy as the Soviet apparat, and "plays at market" with other people's money in exactly the same way Mises dismissed re the managers in Lange's market socialism.

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Ray Commons 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Massimo De Angelis has a very good short Marxist critique of Hayek in his book "The Beginning of History: Value Struggles and Global Capital".

I think you're just scratching the surface on Hayek's bullshit.

For any in-depth analysis of his ideas I refer you to the work of Philip Mirowski, Bernard E. Harcourt, William Davies, Raymond Plant and Pierre Dardot/Christian Laval.

Hayek’s basic argument consisted in the following:

1) Humans are unreliable cognitive agents

2) Markets are super information processors smarter than any and all of us put together (in classical liberalism’s story, market were static allocators).

From 1) and 2) you conclude that markets are ultimate arbitrator of truth, so we must submit to the market and do what it tell us.

As I said Hayek didn’t actually believe in laissez-faire, here’s a direct quote:

“Probably nothing had done so much harm to the liberal cause as the wooden insistence of some liberals on certain rough rules of thumb, above all the principle of laissez faire” (The Road to Serfdom 1944, p.17).

Hayek understood that a strong state was needed to impose strong markets norms.

Hayek’s shtick about “knowledge” changed a lot throughout his lifetime. He changed his mind at least 3 times on this subject.

He began with a story that uses 19th century connectionist psychology.

At this stage, as one author wrote:

“The central thrust of Hayek’s thought was to insist that in order for the economy to work properly, we must be
faithful to our existing constitution and resist any urge to second-guess the cluster of routines and snap judgments that we use to get by in life.

It requires a commitment to the invisible, a willful ignorance that resists the temptation to find out more about the sources of our discontent.The self could only be autonomous if it embraced its own lack of knowledge, committed itself to respecting the moment of not-knowing on which its practical reason was founded.”

Then Hayek started borrowing metaphors from cybernetics that was getting popular at the times.

By the end he ended on position of saying human cognition and human agency were irrelevant and you just do what the market says.


The alternative to hierarchical coordination is certainly not a market coordination/ coordination through generalized commodity exchange.

As James C. Scott says in the intro to his book “Seeing like a State”:

“As we shall see, the conclusions that can be drawn from the failures of modern projects of social engineering are as applicable to market-driven standardization as they are to bureaucratic homogeneity”

“A market necessarily reduces quality to quantity via the price mechanism and promotes standardization; in markets, money talks, not people. Today, global capitalism is perhaps the most powerful force for homogenization, whereas the state may in some instances be the defender of local difference and variety.”

The market is a symptom of alienation and impersonal domination.

We should all that capitalist economies (or any other economic) has never been solely centered on either the market or the state planning. There is also a whole lot of sharing and giving going on all over the place.


As someone who knows some Marx, do you have any comment to make on the Neue Marx-Lektüre (German for “New Marx Reading″).

People like Micheal Heinrich, Ingo Elbe and Werner Bonefeld. And Moishe Postone.

libcom has a PDF of "Time, Labor, and Social Domination: A Reinterpretation of Marx's Critical Theory":

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Cory 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Paresh Chattopadhyay has good critiques of "market socialism" throughout his work, especially his recent book "Marx's Associated Mode of Production: A Critique of Marxism":

Have you read some Karl Polanyi?

Hayek and Mises and most economists are also guilty of naturalizing the commodity relation.

This is an old thing, check this:

The competing theories:

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Jack Graham 3 months, 3 weeks ago

"I think you're just scratching the surface on Hayek's bullshit."


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Aylwin 3 months, 3 weeks ago

in 1920, it looked to most observers as if the infant Soviet Union was about to expire a mere three years or so after its birth

Very tangential, but how come? The Whites were effectively finished by the end of 1919. The international embargo on trade with Soviet Russia was officially abandoned in January 1920, reflecting the shift at government level towards acknowledging that the Bolsheviks were there to stay and establishing peaceful relations (British policy, for one, had already started swinging that way as early as March 1919). So what was this perception based on? Were the peasant revolts of 1920 expected to bring down Bolshevik rule or something?

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Jack Graham 3 months, 3 weeks ago

The situation was still incredibly precarious for a long time.

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Aylwin 3 months, 3 weeks ago

Indeed; I just took the Trotsky reference to mean that you (they) were thinking of specifically military threats, which was perhaps mistaken. (I have a basic knowledge about events in Russia in this period, rather less about the policies of other states towards it, and very little about international public perceptions, so I'm groping a bit here. Anyway, doesn't matter.)

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Eve 3 months, 3 weeks ago

So Mises thinks it's impossible to do resource allocation without setting prices for capital goods.

So how the hell did empires rise and flourish before the invention of currency?

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