Kickstarter Stretch Goals

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Update #3:

So. Um. This Kickstarter has gone a bit better than I was planning on. So much so that I've already made it into some advanced stretch goals I was planning on debuting later this week. More about this on Wednesday with the next post, including the sorts of things I expect I'll talk about, but the short form is this: I'm considering that one of the post-Eruditorum projects I might take on will be recording DVD-style commentaries on episodes where I can talk about the camerawork and visual storytelling and other stuff that doesn't work as well in blog form. And if the Kickstarter keeps going, that'll be what I look at.

The previous post, most of it quasi-osbolete in that we already hit all of the stretch goals discussed, is below.

And here's the Kickstarter if you want to join the fun.

Original post:

First off, today's regular post is below. That said:

Holy crap, you guys.

So, um, I wasn't exactly planning on waking up to a funded project. So I didn't have stretch goals entirely worked out. So, um, here was my vague plan - for the first bit of stretch I was thinking of adding extra essays into the book. More books, audios, or Pop Between Realities. I'm thinking a total of five - one at each $200 tier up to $2000.

But I need suggestions. So, to recap, in the existing book are: Kim Newman's Time and Relative, Steve Lyons's The Witch Hunters, Andy Lane's Empire of Glass, and Simon Guerrier's Guardian of the Solar System. Plus, of course, the ones we did on the blog: Campaign, The Time Travellers, The Plotters, and The Man in the Velvet Mask.

In the new edition we'll add Marc Platt's Auld Mortality, the John and Gillian comics, the first Destiny of the Doctor audio, and A Big Hand for the Doctor. But now I need more things to add. So, make nominations in comments please - good audios and books to discuss, and why you think they'd make good inclusions. I'll update this post throughout the day with leading candidates, and get a set of stretch goals up this evening.

When and if we chew through these I have a second wave of stretch goals in mind. But I don't think I want to tip my hand on that quite yet. Suffice it to say that they're something completely new for this project, and if they go well could spin off into an entire sequel to the project.

The Kickstarter is over here if you want to contribute. And thank you all, very much, for what you already have contributed.

Update #1: The current front-running posts are:
  • A Pop Between Realities on Dan Dare
  • A Pop Between Realities on It Happened Here
  • Rob Shearman's Deadline
  • Masters of Luxor
Other possibilities, none of which are yet likely to unseat one of those four, but any of which could become number five are Birth of a Renegade, Whatever Happened to Susan Foreman, and The Meeting.

Update #2:

It'll be the four bulleted ones above, plus An Adventure in Time and Space, with that entry being parachuted in at the last moment as needed.

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Ununnilium 3 years, 10 months ago

The first thing that comes to mind, since you've mentioned it before in passing: Pop Between Realities to Dan Dare?

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Kit Power 3 years, 10 months ago

My prediction: You're gonna need a bigger boat. Good work, Dr. S. Congrats. :)

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Bennett 3 years, 10 months ago

I'd suggest Rob Shearman's superb Doctor Who Unbound audio play 'Deadline'. It's a compelling drama steeped in the show's early production history, with a lot to say about the series and the relationships people have with it.

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Abigail Brady 3 years, 10 months ago

Two obvious candidates would be Masters of Luxor and Deadline.

Masters of Luxor you already know was an unproduced script originally intended for I think the second serial. Since you covered that era (and the release of the first Hartnell book), it's been done as a Lost Story by Big Finish, which makes it slightly less obscure. And unlike most Lost Stories It's not just some random thing that didn't get made, but really does represent a road not taken.

Deadline is Rob Shearman's Unbound, and is perhaps best described as some freaky shit, being about a retired TV scriptwriter who created Doctor Who. I mention it in combination with Luxor as it uses elements from it (along with other made early stories). It is possibly the thing least like Doctor Who to be Doctor Who. And did I mention that it's by Rob Shearman?

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Ununnilium 3 years, 10 months ago

We've already hit the first stretch goal!

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William Whyte 3 years, 10 months ago

It Happened Here!

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William Whyte 3 years, 10 months ago

I think this is self-recommending. It's the documentary-style alternate-timeline made-on-a-shoestring black & white movie about Britain after the Nazis won. Very well made and very much within Lawrence Miles's take on Doctor Who's mission to show the audience something unexpected.

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Ununnilium 3 years, 10 months ago

Ooooh, yes - and The Dalek Invasion of Earth is heavily influenced by it, or so I hear.

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Theonlyspiral 3 years, 10 months ago

Damn It! Those were my two suggestions! Now I need to be creative and clever...

Birth of a Renegade? One of the many attempts to try and square away the Doctor leaving Gallifrey? It's well and truly an interesting mess.

The Meeting? In which John Lucarotti meets the Doctor?

I'm just not 100% sure at this point. I had two exceedingly clever ideas that everyone else had.


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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

I second that. It's one of the best, and most interesting, things ever done in Doctor Who, and it's definitely worth looking at, and absolutely rooted in the Hartnell era.

Also the radio drama Whatever Happened To Susan Foreman, while much less good, would be worth writing about.

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

Also, of course, Deadline and Auld Mortality comment on each other quite a bit...

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

Another suggestion -- the Pathfinders series. Children's telefantasy, produced by Sydney Newman, written by Malcolm Hulke, starring (in the wiped first series) Michael Craze, heavily Quatermass-influenced... definitely worth looking at.

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Ununnilium 3 years, 10 months ago

And the second and third! Holy crap.

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David 3 years, 10 months ago

Ooo, how about the Time Lord Junior High segment of Divided Loyalties? An attempt to give us a young Hartnell Doctor, hanging out with the Master, the Rani, the Monk, etc. and then getting involved in an Adventure with the Celestial Toymaker. Every wretched word of it written to give the backstory to a new 5th Doctor adventure.

I'm sure there's something in there about reaching back and assaulting what came Before Who with all the knowledge from Some Time Later in Who, and why that's a bloody stupid idea (or not).

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Neo Tuxedo 3 years, 10 months ago

I second that notion.

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Neo Tuxedo 3 years, 10 months ago

Is it too early to say what I want "my" sponsored essay in the McGann/Eccleston volume to be about?

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

Not at all - especially if you want an Eccleston on the blog, so I can schedule it.

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

If I do Divided Loyalties, it'll be in the Davison/Baker book, and it's a reasonably likely candidate there, though far from a sure bet.

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elvwood 3 years, 10 months ago

Thinking themes as well as specifics, it might be worth expanding the Auld Mortality one into an "Unbound" entry and include Deadline there. I've not heard them, so that might not work!

Similarly, a "Lost Stories" entry covering Macedon, Fragile Yellow Arc and Luxor might work. Again, you might not want to listen to all of them...

Another possibility would be a look at a story or stories squeezed into apparently nonexistent gaps - Transit of Venus, Venusian Lullaby or The Revenants all spring to mind as possible candidates. Or did The Plotters cover that angle sufficiently? I don't remember.

How about one of the Oliver Harper stories as the first to introduce a new companion? Perhaps The First Wave if you want to tackle other issues raised there.

Hm. Don't know enough about the period to suggest any pops between realities, but I certainly add my support to Dan Dare.

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Tiffany Korta 3 years, 10 months ago

I put an extra dollar just so you reach the next stretch goal :D.

I'm not sure if it would fit your deadline's but what about the special there doing about the making of the original series there doing for the 50th?

Now all I have to do it work out what I want my article to be about?
(Run's off to check the date of Dead Romance...)

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Anton B 3 years, 10 months ago

Thirded Have a look at the Dan Dare strips in the early Eagle annuals too. Particularly number 4 published 1961. Dan Dare must transport a massive triceratops from Venus to the interplanetary zoo on the Isle of White. Dinosaurs on a spaceship anyone?

Also it might be an idea to examine what adventure drama serials were broadcast in the Saturday teatime slot before Doctor Who was conceived. Quatermass was a late night show I believe.

Lastly Gattis's 'An Adventure in Time and Space' would make for an interesting 'You were expecting someone else'.

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

Oh, of course. I can swing the timing of the book to make that happen - it might require parachuting an essay in at the absolute last second, but I've done it before. There. My five are set.

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Ununnilium 3 years, 10 months ago

Oh man, perfect.

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elvwood 3 years, 10 months ago

Interesting podcast selection - I hope it gets to Paradise Towers, at least!

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

Build high for happiness! (I worried I was being a bit cheeky with that selection, actually. I carefully nestled it between two more popular stretch goals in the hopes I could get away with it. I really hope it gets there as well.)

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William Whyte 3 years, 10 months ago

They have a lot in common (though the Dalek Invasion of Earth is obviously all about the resistance), but I don't know if It Happened Here was out in time to be a direct influence. Really worth catching if you can.

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William Whyte 3 years, 10 months ago

I like this idea. Haven't seen the series.

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Pen Name Pending 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm hoping it reaches "The Big Bang", especially since it seems you love that story as much as I do :)

Even if not everything is funded yet, you're still hoping to eventually release the ones on that list, right?

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

Probably. I mean, a lot of it comes down to how well they turn out and how much I enjoy them. If I hate them and slog through three and nobody comments on them then no, I probably won't pursue the idea. If they generate discussion, get downloaded reasonably frequently, and are fun to do, yes, I expect I'll do every story eventually, including the remainder on that list.

(Well, every existent story. Though maybe I'll do Production Notes-style subtitle tracks that you could slap over your preferred reconstruction for the others...)

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T. Hartwell 3 years, 10 months ago

Oooooh, really hope the list makes its way to at *least* Three Doctors.

Already pledged my amount, will definitely spread the word!

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Matthew Blanchette 3 years, 10 months ago

...dammit, I want that Soldeed video. :-D

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William Whyte 3 years, 10 months ago

TBH I'm much more interested in Paradise Towers than in The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang.

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Ewa Woowa 3 years, 10 months ago

I don't wish to be unpopular, but I think I'm about to be:
As someone who was an "early-funder" and bought your first edition of this book the week it came out, I'm slightly miffed that now I ended up getting the version that is missing about a dozen extras entries...

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

I felt the same way at first (I've bought the ebooks of the three books so far so early that I bought them before they were announced). But I consider the $5 for the revised version worth it for the dozen extras -- that's only 40 cents per essay -- and by buying the Hartnell book already we've had eighteen months or so of access to the book which is worth the original price.

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Anton B 3 years, 10 months ago

Yaaay! In that case you have a sale my friend.

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Anton B 3 years, 10 months ago

And I've added my kickstarter sponsorship. Really looking forward to getting the new editions now. Oh and just to pedantically mention, Phil, I watched your Kickstarter pitch video and noticed you pronounced 'Gillian' with a hard G as in 'Gallifrey' whereas the usual pronunciation here in England is with a soft G as in 'Giant'. It makes no difference but I wondered if Gillian isn't a common name in the U.S. ?

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Abigail Brady 3 years, 10 months ago

Are you complaining about the mere existence of second editions, or what? Because I think that boat sailed several hundred years ago.

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Rob Shearman 3 years, 10 months ago

I must admit, I'd be very intrigued to see what Phil makes of my Deadline play. It really irritated people at the time - which it honestly wasn't supposed to do! But it's the one Doctor Who story I've written that I still feel really sneakily proud of. (It's got Derek Jacobi in it, for God's sake! Derek Jacobi! I got to meet Derek Jacobi. He asked me to call him Del. What a legend!)

Thanks, Abigail, Andrew and Bennett for saying nice things about it. :)

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T. Hartwell 3 years, 10 months ago

Well, as of this morning it's been unlocked! :D

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

You're welcome. And you should be proud of it -- it's the best thing of yours I've ever heard/read, and one of the four or five things that really justifies Big Finish's existence.

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Theonlyspiral 3 years, 10 months ago

That was a little harsh Andrew...

But you're right. Deadline is easily one of my favorite things to come out of Big Finish. Each time I listen to it I rediscover how much I enjoy it.

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Abigail Brady 3 years, 10 months ago

I would imagine it irritates exactly the type of people who deserve to be irritated - Juliet Bravo fans. :-)

I remember looking at it thinking "well, I'm not sure how that's going to work", but it's been a favourite since the moment I finished listening to it - I had "a little more literary criticism and then I shall take over the universe!" (probably a misquote) as my strapline on a popular social networking site for ages.

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elvwood 3 years, 10 months ago

Hooray! And it's only $120 off TPO/TBB, so I don't think Pen Name Pending has too much to worry about. Though The Three Doctors is more of a stretch. No pun (originally) intended.

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elvwood 3 years, 10 months ago

I can understand Ewa's feelings, regardless of history - it's not nice being stuck with an inferior product because you bought it when there was no way of knowing there would be an upgrade. But I can also see why Philip wanted to revise it; given that, the extras are a way of getting us to double-dip and keep him in ramen* for a while longer. Like Andrew, the extras make it worth another $5 for me. And who knows? If we hadn't bought early we might not still be getting books at all!

* I don't know what ramen is, but from context I'm guessing if fulfills somewhat the same mythical role that lentils do over here in Blighty.

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

Ramen -- cheap noodles, eaten by those who can't afford much better. Lentils would work as a substitute cultural reference, but I'd say beans on toast probably works slightly better.

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Rob Shearman 3 years, 10 months ago

Oh, what a lovely thing - thanks, all of you! (I've never knowingly been a strapline before, either! That's rather fun. Which site was it? It can't be Facebook, that'd have confused everybody!)

Writers are never the best judges of their work, and I remember finishing the writing of Deadline, and being rather smugly proud of it - really, the only time I sent in a Big Finish script and didn't feel an anxious shame about what the reaction might be. And then at the recordings, directing it alongside Nick, I thought too - do you know, I think that's pretty good!

And inevitably, I suppose, when it was released it seemed to piss a lot of people off somewhat. There was one review that described it as hateful and self-loathing - another that (rather gloriously!) called it 'curdled fanwank'. So I've supposed since it was an unloved flop - but secretly, stubbornly, it's always been the BF I thought I got right. Ha! So it's a genuinely heartwarming thing to find out that it has out there those who give it the thumbs up. :) Cheers!

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

Well, if you're wanting more reassurance about it, here's a thing I wrote a few years back about it -- http://andrewhickey.info/2009/08/23/a-big-finish-a-week-doctor-who-unbound-deadline-hyperpost-1/ . There are things in there I wouldn't say now (anything I wrote more than two years ago is an embarassment) , but it will show you that some of us have been enjoying that particular play for quite some time.

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Theonlyspiral 3 years, 10 months ago

Isn't there already an entry on Dead Romance?

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Theonlyspiral 3 years, 10 months ago

I actually have thought for the longest time, that I was the only person who enjoyed TPO/TBB. Fan reaction to it is so negative...

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm sympathetic to Ewa. Though if I recall correctly she's also complained about the overly low price of my ebooks, so perhaps I break even here? But either way... I don't entirely see what the better solution was. The first book was the best I could do in late 2011 having never put a book together. It's not the best I can do now. That gap rankles.

I mean, at some point you put it down. The weird centered paragraphs in the Troughton edition and at least two typos I'm aware of in Pertwee both irritate me, but I can't justify a second edition over them. I can't even justify a second edition for Underwater Menace 2, because everything I've seen tells me I was, in fact, right about that story the first time and that the added episode doesn't really change things much. Those books will live with their flaws.

But for Hartnell, the missing chapter, severity of the typos, poor type-setting, the fact that I would have done the John and Gillian comics if I could, and the fact that "Air Lock" really does transform our understanding of Galaxy 4 a bit make me feel like a second edition is warranted.

I think of it as similar to a band redoing songs on their demo tape for later albums, or perhaps even rerecording their entire first album, as several artists have done. Which is to say that while I am sympathetic to the frustration, equally, I just can't apologize that heartily for being a better writer and bookmaker than I was eighteen months ago.

All of which said, thank you for being an early funder. I really do appreciate it. I'm sorry I wasn't that good when you started to be a fan. And I really appreciate you sticking with me anyway.

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Ununnilium 3 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, same on the $5 being worth it for extras. (And I quite like the older version of the cover, so I'm glad on having that too!)

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Rob Shearman 3 years, 10 months ago

Fascinating, Andrew, and very generous. Thank you.

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elvwood 3 years, 10 months ago

On first watch, I enjoyed The Pandorica Opens - and the beginning of The Big Bang. But then, some way through the latter, I suddenly realised I was just going "wow, this is clever" and not getting emotionally involved with the action/characters. And when I realised that, the jigsaw puzzle element stopped being so gripping too.

I've only watched it once since then, and was more able to appreciate it for what it is, but an echo of that disappointment remained. I suspect that this is one that will grow on me more with further repeat viewings.

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Theonlyspiral 3 years, 10 months ago

I think you're too hard on yourself there Andrew (a trend?). You got it spot on...the only people who can appreciate Deadline are Doctor Who Fans which are the exact sort of group who have difficulty with a story like that by and large. The readers of this blog being an exception of course. That's a very keen observation on the nature of our fan-community.

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T. Hartwell 3 years, 10 months ago

I loved it along with the rest of Series 5, but haven't seen it since initial viewing. Very interested to hear what Phil has to say about it.

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Tiffany Korta 3 years, 10 months ago

Um yeah, I meant Faction Paradox : A Romance in Twelve Parts. I was hoping no-one noticed...

In case anyone's interested it was published in 2011, so it's out for my article choice (I somehow got the Tennant book).

And whilst I've got idea's I'm open to anyones suggestions...

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Theonlyspiral 3 years, 10 months ago

Well what are you looking for? A Pop Between Realities? A Time Can be Rewritten? I'm struggling with that I want for my McGann entry at the moment.

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Ewa Woowa 3 years, 10 months ago

She? She???????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

F*&%$ !!!!!!

SHE????????????

I post more when I'm sober...

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

My apologies, Ewa - I actually looked up the given name Ewa, but was apparently misled.

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Gavin Schofield 3 years, 10 months ago

I third that.

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Tiffany Korta 3 years, 10 months ago

Well nice Mr Sandifer let me swap over to the Matt Smith book so Faction Paradox is a go...

I promise I'm not obsessed!

It's actually really tough to think of good sujects for these kinds of things I'm not sure how Phil manages it...

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

I assumed Ewa Woowa was a play on Edward Woodward...

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Andrew Hickey 3 years, 10 months ago

YOU might not be obsessed with FP, but I am, so thank you ;)
(That said, I suspect there's more to write about in Burning With Optimism's Flames than in A Romance In Twelve Parts, although Phil Purser-Hallard's drabbleplex in the latter does seem the kind of thing Phil would appreciate).

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Pen Name Pending 3 years, 10 months ago

It's actually an episode I'm really emotionally involved with...back when I had more time on my hands, it was what I'd watch when I was upset.

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

For my money, the wedding sequence at the end of it is the single best scene of Doctor Who ever.

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

A Romance in Twelve Parts also has the Iris Wildthyme/Faction Paradox crossover, which is... compelling.

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Ununnilium 3 years, 10 months ago

Soft G is usually how it's pronounced here, in my experience.

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Pen Name Pending 3 years, 10 months ago

My favorite is right before that, with little Amelia. But the whole last half is wonderful.

I actually wrote a paper about time travel in which I proved that "The Big Bang", aside from the alternate universe thing, is entirely consistent with the block universe theory of time (in which time travel is, in theory, possible).

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Scott 3 years, 10 months ago

A QI reference, unless I miss my guess.

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elvwood 3 years, 10 months ago

Ah yes, the ending. The scene with Amelia was where I started to reengage, and the wedding was indeed punch-the-air wonderful (though I wouldn't go quite so far as Philip). I'd forgotten about that part - probably a side effect of my meds or of the pain I was in at the time.

Hm, definitely time for a rewatch!

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Ewa Woowa 3 years, 10 months ago

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Ed Jolley 3 years, 10 months ago

Maybe Terry Gilliam's influence is to blame.

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Nightsky 3 years, 10 months ago

(Long-time reader, first-time poster. Hi.)

What about The Tomorrow People? Is it a low-rent Doctor Who imitator? A worthy competitor? It is (or was until recently) being produced by Big Finish alongside DW, so it's certainly had a long half-life in Who's shadow.

Bonus points if you can work in Peter Davison's appearance in that ridiculous wig and loincloth.

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

The Tomorrow People is a bit late for Hartnell - I covered it in between Planet of the Spiders and Robot, so it'll be the first essay in the first Tom Baker book.

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Nightsky 3 years, 10 months ago

I'd forgotten you already did it, sorry.

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Philip Sandifer 3 years, 10 months ago

Oh, no problem - really nobody but me should have quite as extensive a knowledge of what this blog has done as I do. :)

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Daru 3 years, 10 months ago

!!! @ Philip -

Hi - Just been setting up pledging to you via Kickstarter with a rush of enthusiasm. But unfortunately my card type is not recognised on the system as it is set up once I enter the 'Continue to Amazon' section where I need to enter card type. I live in the UK and have an existing Amazon account where my card is recognised. It is a Maestro Debit card. Is there anything you can sort out so I can pledge, as I really am passionate about your work and don't want to be blocked from supporting you.

Much thanks.

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