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Christine Kelley

Christine Kelley writes about art and politics. Currently her main project is Nowhere and Back Again, a psychogeography of J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth. Her first project was the now semi-retired blog Dreams of Orgonon, a song-by-song study of Kate Bush. Support Christine on Patreon.

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  1. George Lock
    November 29, 2024 @ 5:57 am

    Calling Gilliam Month Python’s Peter Gabriel is such a spot on analogy I can’t believe I’ve never seen anyone else make the comparison. Both are artists who, on their best days, evoke similarly warm fuzzy feelings in me in ways I’ve never quite been able to put my finger on, given that both can also be confrontational and alienating.

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    • George Lock
      November 29, 2024 @ 5:59 am

      *Monty, not month. Clearly my autocorrect is getting into the Gilliamesque mood

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      • Christine Kelley
        November 29, 2024 @ 6:03 am

        Somebody pointed out that John Cleese is Python’s Phil Collins, which I really should have figured out first.

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        • George Lock
          November 30, 2024 @ 4:49 am

          I’m inclined to agree with the Cleese/Collins comparison myself. Certainly from my perspective growing up, I was aware of both of them long before becoming aware of the context of their respective groups.

          I guess now the only thing to decide is which Python gets to be Mike Rutherford. Eric Idle?

          (Also, hard agree with D.N.’s last paragraph below, regarding Gabriel’s fairly decent progressive credentials vs the increasing reaction of various Pythons).

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    • D.N.
      November 29, 2024 @ 12:11 pm

      The Gilliam-as-Gabriel analogy works in one context (i.e. the one stated by Christine) but fails in another; namely, Peter Gabriel was the frontman, primary lyricist, and public face of Genesis, while Terry Gilliam was Python’s fringe (and least-known to the public) member — which makes Gabriel’s solo career more unlikely and Gilliam’s more understandable.

      I’m more inclined to concur with Christine’s other nomination of John Cleese as the Gabriel of Python, inasmuch as Cleese was the best-known Python and his departure from the group’s TV series happened around the same time Gabriel split from Genesis. You could argue Cleese had put Python behind him with Fawlty Towers and A Fish Called Wanda but Python still clings to his public image in a way Genesis doesn’t to Gabriel — of course, Genesis went on to better-selling (but not better) work post-Gabriel whereas Cleese rejoined Python for the group’s most enduring work (Holy Grail and Life of Brian).

      Also, to compare Gilliam and Cleese to Python, you have to ignore the fact that Peter Gabriel is a progressive, and by all accounts a lovely, chap, whereas Gilliam and Cleese are reactionary and deeply unpleasant guys.

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      • SeeingI
        December 1, 2024 @ 6:39 pm

        I want to see this in the theater when I was nine, and the ending left me utterly unnerved. I now realize that this was the first time I experienced existential dread.

        Later that year my dad died in a car wreck, so 1981 was a big year for that sort of thing.

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  2. Anton B
    November 29, 2024 @ 8:10 am

    “…the movie equivalent of running into a museum and tipping over statues.”

    Indeed. Ahead of its time.

    “Gilliam is Python’s Peter Gabriel”

    Yes! I enjoy a bit of Gabriel’s oblique, arty commercialism as much as anyone but it would be difficult to say I’m actually a fan. Python (both the TV show and its creators) have, like Genesis, mostly aged badly. The show reveals its misogyny, racism, classism and sexism more and more. Its difficult to watch these days without resorting to the old “It was a different time” canard. Of the survivors, Cleese has become the irascible reactionary he always portrayed, Idle has done his best to monetize and popularise the brand through musicals etc, while Palin has ossified into a British National Treasure – a warm cup of milky tea. Gilliam alone remains interesting if not always successful. Like Christopher Nolan his movies’ over-ambition often create a top-heavy experience, admirable but hard to actually enjoy.

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  3. Christopher Brown
    November 29, 2024 @ 2:43 pm

    This was the one solo (give or take his co-writer) work by Gilliam that I watched before learning what an unpleasant figure he is, and I’m glad I was able to enjoy it with that sort of innocence; I feel like Time Bandits uniquely benefits from that perspective on a first go. Not only is Warner’s Evil amazing, but the design for his costume and lair is one of the very best cinematic evocations of H.R. Giger not to involve the artist himself.

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