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Elizabeth Sandifer

Elizabeth Sandifer created Eruditorum Press. She’s not really sure why she did that, and she apologizes for the inconvenience. She currently writes Last War in Albion, a history of the magical war between Alan Moore and Grant Morrison. She used to write TARDIS Eruditorum, a history of Britain told through the lens of a ropey sci-fi series. She also wrote Neoreaction a Basilisk, writes comics these days, and has ADHD so will probably just randomly write some other shit sooner or later.Support Elizabeth on Patreon.

39 Comments

  1. Nilso
    March 20, 2019 @ 5:37 pm

    There is no excuse for deadnaming in 2019. Everyone still calls me Theresa, even though I fully transitioned last fall. Hopefully it stops soon

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    • Christopher Brown
      March 26, 2019 @ 11:13 pm

      I am deeply sorry you’re having to go through that.

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  2. Jarl
    March 20, 2019 @ 5:44 pm

    Things are pretty dire when that other doctor who wiki from the place with all the terrorists has a better track record for deadnames

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    • Dan
      March 23, 2019 @ 3:18 am

      The what?

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    • Vadron
      June 10, 2019 @ 1:54 pm

      I second Dan’s question. What the sugar-bowl are you talking about?

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  3. Kit Power
    March 20, 2019 @ 5:50 pm

    …I gotta be honest, nobody in 2019 should be putting the words ‘final solution’ anywhere near policy relating to LGBT+, either. I mean, damn.

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    • Dan
      March 23, 2019 @ 3:20 am

      It says “final resolution”. Regardless: I mean, it’s overly-written and wrong-headed enough without putting something in there that isn’t really there surely?

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  4. Etana Edelman
    March 20, 2019 @ 5:53 pm

    Has Tardis Data Core ever not sucked
    Also I’m not sure if I should put this here because it’s not really relevant but speaking of shitty Who fans, the Twitter account @WhoDiscussions has been posting support for Michael Jackson lately. A couple weeks ago they posted quite a lot of Tweets trying to discredit the accusers and proclaim Jackson’s innocence. I’d tweet this but I only have 30 followers. Sorry for the hijack.

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  5. Neo
    March 20, 2019 @ 5:56 pm

    What was most chilling to me was “We record the reality as it is”. Disgusting and very loaded statement. So infuriating. The maintenance of the “gamer” article under that broken methodology is such a bizarrely on-theme bit of ridiculousness that it reads like satire.

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    • Lambda
      March 22, 2019 @ 10:07 am

      Likewise, claiming to have an ‘end of the universe’ POV, and dismissing something as a ‘very 20th to early 21st century view point’, when they actually have an early 21st century viewpoint, being, as they are, people in the early 21st century, and they don’t know what an end of the universe POV is because it hasn’t happened yet.

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      • Sleepyscholar
        March 23, 2019 @ 12:54 am

        Without getting all UNIT dating controversy on us here, wouldn’t you have said their attitude is more 20th century than 21st? Certainly reminds me more of the England of Love Thy Neighbour, Jim Davidson and Mind Your Language than it does of 2019.

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  6. Jarl
    March 20, 2019 @ 6:22 pm

    I know when I’m moderating a discussion between adults about a sensitive topics, ih yeah, my go-to reference is the Punisher.

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    • Przemek
      March 22, 2019 @ 8:08 am

      Yeah, that bit killed me.

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  7. Graham
    March 20, 2019 @ 9:57 pm

    Respectfully, do you really think this is the best approach to sorting out the issue? Rather than write a forceful post like this which says ‘The TARDIS Data Core has never been a great site’, do you think a more effective approach would be to not criticise them, as therefore they would likely resent you and not listen to you. A positive approach would more likely convince the editors, as there is less toxicity; I understand your anger, but I feel that it may not actually work, and if anything this might may things worse.

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    • Elizabeth Sandifer
      March 20, 2019 @ 10:13 pm

      Cool concern trolling bro

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      • Graham
        March 20, 2019 @ 10:17 pm

        Not concern trolling, I am a trans ally who is scared by the approach taken on issues such as this. I am fearful that it is not helping.

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        • Elizabeth Sandifer
          March 20, 2019 @ 10:19 pm

          Mhmm.

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          • Graham
            March 20, 2019 @ 10:52 pm

            Just because we have different opinions on approaches doesn’t mean we can’t agree overall. With respect, I’d prefer you to critically engage we’ve what ive said than calling me a troll and dismissing me without argument.

          • Dan
            March 23, 2019 @ 3:32 am

            Haha. You are so sealion-ey.

            “do you think a more effective approach would be to not criticise them, as therefore they would likely resent you and not listen to you”

            The logic here. If being criticized prevents them from examining their own beliefs, they are hardly likely to listen anyway are they.

            Elizabeth doesn’t even come across as particularly angry in this article. She’s stating a case based on what are clearly facts. Is she supposed to keep quiet and send an email to TDC?

    • Christine
      March 20, 2019 @ 10:42 pm

      You say this after relaxed, cordial approaches have failed to convince them of anything.

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      • Graham
        March 20, 2019 @ 10:53 pm

        Yes, calm, positive approaches may not work, but an angry hostile attitude like this may actively make the situation worse.

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        • Christine Kelley
          March 20, 2019 @ 11:03 pm

          lol

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          • Elizabeth Sandifer
            March 20, 2019 @ 11:04 pm

            Let’s call this discussion finished, shall we?

    • Sean Dillon
      March 20, 2019 @ 11:18 pm

      When has “not bringing up criticism of a problem” ever worked to solve the problem? Like, how do you even approach a problem without even having the criticism spelt out? And, for that matter, what would be a more positive approach to this problem? Just letting it fester until it alienates the voices of dissent, thus removing the “problem”? Or do you just want to wait for the site that hosts the wiki to intervene like they did with the Zygon cocks?

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      • Elizabeth Sandifer
        March 20, 2019 @ 11:20 pm

        See my comment to Christine above.

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        • Sean Dillon
          March 20, 2019 @ 11:37 pm

          Yeah, I didn’t see the comment until after I posted. Sorry.

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          • Dan
            March 23, 2019 @ 3:34 am

            Same.

  8. Daru
    March 21, 2019 @ 12:57 am

    Wow that’s one hella toxic site I’ll be making sure I still stay away from. What a retrograde pile of rubbish by the sound of it.

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  9. Przemek
    March 21, 2019 @ 8:06 am

    What the actual fuck.

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  10. Anon
    March 21, 2019 @ 12:41 pm

    Been a wiki user forever and I’m so grateful to see their admins finally being called out for the rampant transphobia on the site. Maybe not the best example since it’s finally been resolved, but it took them FOREVER to come around to using singular “they” for the Doctor and the Master, with the debate being reopened multiple times by (you guessed it) Shambala108.

    On the topic of the Big Finish website, though… how hard would it be for them to remove Jay Harley’s deadname from the multiple pages on which it appears?

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  11. Gavin Burrows
    March 21, 2019 @ 5:52 pm

    It is a close-run thing, but my personal favourite phrase…

    “One of the admins is trans themselves, meaning we have all the understanding of the sensitivities we need.”

    In other news, one of the cops beating you up is black themselves, so racism cannot be a factor here. We’re glad we’ve been able to reassure you in this way. Particularly around the upper torso.

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  12. Tom B
    March 21, 2019 @ 5:53 pm

    I can’t see how they can honestly claim that the concept of LGBT doesn’t exist in the Doctor Who Universe given the prominence of gay characters starting (openly) in RTD’s era, and the concept of gender fluidity in Doctor Who starting with Moffat (your choice as to whether to count The Curse of Fatal Death or to start while he was showrunner and had Time Lords changing sex), culminating in the latest incarnation of the Doctor being female.

    Are the admins making the decisions on this just admins for the TARDIS Data Core wiki specifically, or are they general admins for fandom.com? If the former, perhaps escalating it to fandom.com, pointing out to them what Amorkuz pointed out to the TARDIS Data Core peopleabout deliberate deadnaming running afoul of the Hate Crimes Act of 2003 in Britain, would help put on some pressure? Given that law, there shouldn’t be much need to consider anything but eliminating the deadnames.

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    • Przemek
      March 22, 2019 @ 8:06 am

      Ah, but you see, the terms “LGBT” and “gender fluidity” have never been used on the show! Obviously they can’t exist.

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    • Rodolfo Piskorski
      March 31, 2019 @ 11:01 am

      “culminating in the latest incarnation of the Doctor being female.”

      Oh my god, this is horrible and shameful, but I confess I did a double take when I read this. I had forgotten the Doctor was a woman, such was my disappointment with season 11. After season 11 ended, I have had almost no contact with anything DW-related at all. So in that sentence in a context of Moffat Who, I felt slightly lost with a reference to a female Doctor. sigh

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  13. Przemek
    March 22, 2019 @ 8:11 am

    My favourite bit has to be “This will not be decided by force. Nothing ever is. (…) I am asking you and other trans people that feel offended to stand down”.

    What can I do to help?

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  14. Jeff Heikkinen
    March 26, 2019 @ 5:25 am

    This is in no way meant as any sort of gotcha, but if you feel this strongly about deadnames, why is yours still all over the “Buy Our Books” link on this very page?

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    • Elizabeth Sandifer
      March 26, 2019 @ 12:24 pm

      It’s less “gotcha” than just kind of sad that you need the difference between other people asserting a trans person’s deadname and a trans person neglecting to update an old webpage to remove it explained to you.

      Here. Let me offer two analogous statements so you can really drink in how bad your point is.

      “Why do you care what name I call you if you haven’t even gone through the process of a legal name change yet?”

      “You must not care about your three newest books if you haven’t added them to this page.”

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      • Jeff Heikkinen
        March 27, 2019 @ 12:50 am

        I am not making any kind of “point”, I’m simply asking a question about something I was curious about. You seem to be reading in some kind of hostility that was not intended. I’m sorry you feel that way but at the same time I don’t see how that was a reasonable or proportionate response to anything I said.

        (While I’m on the topic some of the Last War in Albion pages are similarly out of date, in ways totally unrelated to your deadname. Actually, I personally care far more about that than what name is being shown on the books page, I just thought you might be more concerned about the latter in view of what you say about the topic in this article.)

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  15. Vadron
    April 29, 2019 @ 8:25 pm

    While there is no love lost between me and the Tardis Data Core (I am currently banned there, by the Amorkuz fellow, though for circumstances not related to this particular bit of drama), I feel it is somewhat unfair to equate Shambala’s attitude with Levine’s.

    You see, when Shambala speaks of the needs of the community, it is not in the sense that “if the Doctor Who fans want to hear people’s deadnames they have priority”, but in the “no one breaks the site rules until they have been officially repealed, for any reason, ever” sense. The Tardis Wiki has always been defined by having a draconian, labyrinthine set of rules, being unwilling to go through the hassle of ever revising them, and then reigning down holy fire on anyone who breaks them “knowingly” — the quotation marks being because the “knowingly” part is usually handled on a guilty-till-proven-innocent basis. (It is somewhat amusing to me that they’ve essentially turned themselves into the Time Lords. This is kind of like people looking like their dogs, except with Wikis.)

    As later installments in the Tardis Deadname Saga proved, Shambala has actually no objection to changing the Wiki’s policy on deadnames, and will no doubt be just as unforgivingly brutal in enforcing the “no deadnames” rules as they were on defending the use of deadnames so long as that was the Wiki’s de-facto policy.

    It’s obviously a failing, but not the one you seem to ascribe to them, so I just thought I’d offer my two cents.

    (As for this policy — as a cis person my gut feeling was that information, whether unpleasant or otherwise, is still information, and that the name should probably be mentioned once somewhere on the person’s page, though certainly not widely reproduced all over the website. But your and other trans people’s input has made me rethink the point, as it has for some other Tardis editors.)

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