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Elizabeth Sandifer

Elizabeth Sandifer created Eruditorum Press. She’s not really sure why she did that, and she apologizes for the inconvenience. She currently writes Last War in Albion, a history of the magical war between Alan Moore and Grant Morrison. She used to write TARDIS Eruditorum, a history of Britain told through the lens of a ropey sci-fi series. She also wrote Neoreaction a Basilisk, writes comics these days, and has ADHD so will probably just randomly write some other shit sooner or later.Support Elizabeth on Patreon.

12 Comments

  1. Daniel Washington
    October 16, 2015 @ 3:37 pm

    its sad to see you go so easy on such a unpleasant “sub” (tee hee) culture.

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  2. Daniel Washington
    October 16, 2015 @ 3:39 pm

    Oh and please don’t be too angry. Im saying this as someone who respects you and this site. Ive just been hurt a lot.

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    • Elizabeth Sandifer
      October 16, 2015 @ 3:46 pm

      I have no shortage of issues with the establishment BDSM culture, most of which center around its tendency to protect and shield abusers. I also think there’s a vibrant and important queer/feminist school of thought within kink culture, mostly among the younger generation.

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  3. Daniel Washington
    October 16, 2015 @ 3:57 pm

    Oh thank you for responding. It wasn’t meant to be a dig at you. its just I can speak from some experience that that’s not all there is to it. I must have missed the vibrate subversions. and the slaves may well be happy, but ah I don’t want to rant. I want to make it clear,my problem isn’t with all kink,that would be a bit hypocritical.

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    • Daniel Harper
      October 17, 2015 @ 11:52 am

      I’m sorry you’ve had bad experiences in the BDSM subculture — I agree broadly with Phil that there are a lot of problems with the way the culture treats abusers, especially by the old guard. This piece wasn’t looking specifically about the way that the subculture actually treats issues of coerced consent, but with the theoretical rules that BDSM-ers claim they use to navigate those waters.

      Humans being humans, these two things are far from equivalent.

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  4. Daniel Washington
    October 16, 2015 @ 3:59 pm

    Oh and long term lurker first time commenter. 🙂

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  5. Jack Graham
    October 16, 2015 @ 5:02 pm

    Proud to have played a small part in stimulating this thoughtful, interesting piece. More please.

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  6. Citizen_Alan
    October 16, 2015 @ 11:39 pm

    “By this example, the many “women against feminism” take the side of their oppressors honestly, heartily, and with full consent, but is that consent uncoerced?”

    How do you define “coersion”? I am of the opinion that Kim Davis’s beliefs, which almost certainly include anti-feminism, are driven in large part by the need to be seen publicly espousing such positions in order to maintain an $80k/year elected position. Similarly, I am reminded of Beverly LaHaye, the wife of Tim LaHaye of “Left Behind” fame. Mrs. LaHaye believes very strongly that women should eschew the work place and stay at home to look after their husbands. She believes in this so strongly that for years she spent most of her time 3000 miles away from her husband and their home to found Concerned Women of America which paid her six figures to lobby against feminist issues.

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    • Daniel Harper
      October 17, 2015 @ 12:01 pm

      Sorry if the above was a bit unclear. I’m fairly agnostic on the degree to which the leaders of what blogger Fred Clark calls “Ladies Against Women” organizations are actually true believers or just fleecing the rubes.

      I’m more referring to the rank-and-file masses of women who post on places like the Women Against Feminism tumblr with messages like, “I don’t need feminism because I like it when a man treats me like a lady,” or “I don’t need feminism because my son shouldn’t feel like less of a person.” These women, by and large, have swallowed the patriarchal narrative about how awful feminists are and feminism is, and offer a form of “happy slavery” in support of toxic masculine-driven culture. To the degree that their ideas about feminism are based on a false narrative created by an oppressive structure, I believe we can say that their slavery is coerced, not chosen.

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  7. AuntyJack
    October 17, 2015 @ 1:31 am

    The Tivolians are an inversion of Pratchett’s Ankh Morporkians, really.

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  8. Shannon
    October 18, 2015 @ 2:58 pm

    Very good points about the submission to a larger organizations as part of work. After all, everyone submits to something or someone in one way or another. That’s one main reason I refuse to work for a corporation or private public relations firm – I’m in science communications and I know that I would eventually be asked to do something that I would find morally abhorrent. (For example, there are loads of ads on the Washington D.C. Metro system for Monsanto.) Rather than quit when that moment comes up, I refuse to submit myself to that kind of authority in the first place. While the federal government and non-profit sectors are far from perfect, I trust them far more than their private counterparts.

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